Fortunately there's a simple mitigation; it just slows down new connections slightly. No impact if the network is robust, a few tens of milliseconds if there's packet loss.
This will be double the speed of PCIe 5.0, which will be double the speed of PCIe 4.0, which is double the speed of PCIe 3.0 that everyone currently uses.
Yes, this is a dramatic acceleration of upgrades. We were all stuck on PCIe 3.0 far longer than anyone had planned, and the PCI-SIG committee is trying to catch up again.
PCIe 6.0 uses the same signal rates as 5.0 but encodes two bits per clock using four voltage levels - a technique called PAM4 and used in high-speed networking - much the same as MLC flash encodes two bits per cell by having two intermediate levels between empty and full.
This means it can work with similar materials and designs as PCIe 5.0, while keeping full backward compatibility. The downside is that it makes the controller circuitry a lot more complicated; you not only have to deal with intermediate levels, you have to deal with intermediate levels accurately and consistently within 60 picoseconds.
The final spec is due in 2021 and first products in 2023, but I wouldn't expect this to reach consumer systems for a while.
The impetus for this is terabit networking, which requires a ton of expansion slot bandwidth. And the impetus for that is cloud-scale virtualisation: If your interconnect is fast enough your entire datacenter becomes one huge massively fault-tolerant server that you can dynamically subdivide to suit needs that change from one second to the next, without needing the level of over-provisioning that currently entails.
Important note: Even if your online storage provider promises that all your files are encrypted and safe from hackers, even if that's true, it doesn't help if the hacker has your login.
Or they could move offices to somewhere that isn't a blighted far-left hellscape. Just a thought.
You code sixteen apps, what do you get? Another year older and deeper in debt. Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go - I owe my soul to the Google Play Store.
Video of the Day
A review of a computer you've never heard of... Unless you read Daily News Stuff.
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Remember when Mac & Linux zealots swore how their OS was sooo much safer than Windows because there were no sploits?
Posted by: Rick C at Thursday, June 20 2019 01:19 AM (Iwkd4)
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I'd read an article about PCIe 6 earlier today, maybe somewhere else, but didn't see a discussion of what PAM4 was. That makes sense, and as you point out, this is something we more or less already know how to do. Modems have been doing something similar, QAM, although with tone (?), not voltage, for decades. As I recall, the last dialup standard that gave us a nominal 56Kbps used a 256-step modulation, and I believe modern cable modems do something similar.
Posted by: Rick C at Thursday, June 20 2019 01:23 AM (Iwkd4)
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SIM swap story: there used to be a guy who was in charge of security for a major bank and years ago he said NEVER do mobile banking on your phone. That one thing would've saved the guy a bunch of trouble.
Having said that it is insane that you can't lock your account to protect you from the SIM swap scam. A customer-focused carrier (hah!) would roll that feature out and brag about it on TV.
As for Google, Twitter, etc., they go out of their way to make it hard to find an actual person to talk to, with the single exception of Google Fi (at least when I briefly had them in 2017). Fi actually encourages you to request a phone call, and they'll call you back (in my limited experience) in a couple of minutes.
Posted by: Rick C at Thursday, June 20 2019 02:04 AM (Iwkd4)
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<blockquote>Hot Fix Sundae Edition
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Which falls on a Tuesdae this year?
Posted by: Rick C at Thursday, June 20 2019 09:15 AM (Iwkd4)
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I still don't do electronic banking. I use Paypal, but it's only linked to my credit card, not to my bank account. This means once a month I have to actually go to the bank, but that seems like a reasonable price to pay.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Thursday, June 20 2019 05:44 PM (PiXy!)
Gab filed a complaint concerning Apple with the DOJ.
Apple banned Gab's developer account.
Now, "following" is a weasel word that implies because of but only actually means chronologically later than. But this game of antitrust "notice me senpai" is getting out of hand.
This is a graph-colouring theorem - similar to the Four Colour Map Problem - and has been a standing question for 53 years. The entire proof is just three pages long.
Anime Music Video of the Day
It's been here before but they keep making me repost it.
Disclaimer: You shall not pass Go. You shall not collect $200.
1Shocking news from 2030: The importation of used vehicles from Europe into Ireland continues to soar... Back in the bad old days, the British forces in Northern Ireland had outposts and watchtowers in interesting places like Armagh to keep track of what was coming across the border from Ireland. By 2030, it will be the Irish manning outposts and watchtowers to watch for automobile engine smuggling...
Posted by: cxt217 at Wednesday, June 19 2019 09:09 AM (LMsTt)
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So, basically all the donations GAB is getting are directed to their attorneys. That's why the site's performance is so underwhelming.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Thursday, June 20 2019 10:34 PM (LZ7Bg)
What Google did here might be legal in the general case (precedent is well-established) but adds fuel to the fire for anti-trust investigators who are already not particularly well-disposed.
So does that article, once it gets past the section criticising Microsoft, Apple, Facebook, and Google. So does Salesforce. They are at least as bad as the consumer-oriented tech giants.
In anime news, Log Horizon is more original than I'd thought. Our main hero is an evil scheming rules-lawyering bastard, but he fights for what is right.
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Yeah. Log Horizon was a pleasant surprise.
"Oh noes we're trapped in the game! If you die in the game you really really die." "Oh wait...no you don't!" "Well I guess there's no dramatic tensio...Oh. Oh wow."
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Monday, June 17 2019 07:41 PM (xOgT9)
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"is-windows is used by around 2.5 MILLION repositories on GitHub"
So this is just is-even and is-odd all over again?
Posted by: Rick C at Tuesday, June 18 2019 01:14 AM (Iwkd4)
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One of my friends who has far more MMORPG experience than me, commented that the author of Log Horizon actually seems to know the basics of MMORPG in how he set-up the story. My friend does not care for Log Horizon, but I certainly found both the light novels and the anime to be entertaining.
Log Horizon is definitely better than Sword Arts Online because the writer of the former is better than the writer of the latter. If nothing else, it seems Reki Kawahara has never heard of Google or Wikipedia, given his rather loose grasp of basic facts (Which puts him in plentiful company - How a Realist Hero Rebuilt a Kingdom is steaming pile of an example, topped off by a child's understanding of Machiavelli.)
Posted by: cxt217 at Tuesday, June 18 2019 01:35 PM (LMsTt)
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Took me a moment to grasp that that was a real title and not a swipe at another show. Kind of like In Another World with My Smartphone.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Tuesday, June 18 2019 02:05 PM (PiXy!)
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I actually liked In Another World with My Smartphone. For a silly isekai story, it is very entertaining. But as a title, it is nothing compared to Do You Love Your Mom and Her Two-Hit Multi-Target Attacks?, which is a good thing.
Posted by: cxt217 at Wednesday, June 19 2019 09:12 AM (LMsTt)
Just keeping track of what I've watched this year.
Dirty Pair TV & OVA
Endro!
My Roommate is a Cat
Hinamatsuri
Iroduku
Bunny Girl Senpai
Sakura Quest
Golden Time
Chunibyo (1 & 2)
Danmachi
Non Non Biyori (1, 2, and movie)
Merc Storia
Inari Konkon Koi Iroha
Hanayamata
Akanesasu Shoujo
Netoge no Yome?
Noragami (1 & 2)
Recovery of an MMO Junkie
Slayers Revolution and Evolution-R
My Hero Academia (1, 2, 3, and movie)
Rising of the Shield Hero (currently airing)
It looks like rather a lot when you put them all in one place.
I'd recommend most of them too, with the exceptions being Netoge, which simply isn't very good, the first half of season two of My Hero Academia, which you just have to bulldoze your way through somehow, and Golden Time, which is a beautiful adaptation of a very weak story.
We're getting more of Danmachi, Non Non Biyori, and My Hero Academia later this year, so I'll be following those closely.
And now I've run out again. Have to scan back and find those recommendations.
I think I'll give Log Horizon a try. It sounds formulaic but is supposed to be well done.
Update: It is indeed formulaic but well done, except for the opening theme which is terrible. (The ending theme is much better; they should have just swapped them because everyone skips the ending theme anyway.) I hope people are getting reincarnated as the heroes speculate, otherwise it's a bit grim.
Update 2: You know what? They should steal the opening theme from Akanesasu Shoujo. Would work perfectly for this. Need different animation, yes, but still.
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...and now I have the Log Horizon theme in my head. Yes, just from reading about it. It's terrible but also insidiously catchy.
I'd forgotten about MMO Junkie, which was rather adorable. In the same vein (and, I think, actually better) is Wotakoi, if you still need anime recs.
Posted by: GreyDuck at Monday, June 17 2019 11:37 PM (rKFiU)
YouTube explained to James O'Keefe what triggered the censorship: It was the inclusion of a key piece of documentary evidence proving Pinterest's own fraudulent censorship.
Democracy dies in Darkness, they say, and new media and old media alike are here to make sure of it.
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This guy is no dummy.
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Basically a single lane of PCIe 3.0, so speeds close to 1GB/s, and supports device sizes up to 128TB. Which will be great right up until you sneeze and you lose the entire corporate database cluster.
Which means... Carry the twelve... You could colonise the entire Solar System and the seventeen nearest stars for less than than the price of the Green New Deal ($93 trillion).
This week's WAN Show (Other Linus' weekly news show) talked about how this seems impractical and expensive for such a niche product. But even more than with Threadripper 1 & 2, this will just be an alternate power profile for an Epyc chip. Allow it to draw 250W instead of 180W, and let your packaging designers go nuts.
It's the same socket as Epyc, same chiplets, same substrate. Gen 1 had a fixed limit of 4 memory channels, but now with the I/O die they don't even need to do that. Epyc could run just fine on Threadripper boards and vice versa, with a suitable BIOS.
These don't support PCIe 4.0; they are updated versions of the B450 and A320 (I don't think there was ever an A420). But you get 20 lanes of PCIe 4.0 from the CPU regardless.
They actually got their hands on a sample device and were able to run a full suite of tests, using an adaptor card that converts PCIe 3.0 x 16 to PCIe 4.0 x 8 (since PCIe 4.0 motherboards will be scarce for another three weeks).
It hit 5GB/s in one test, but while it did well overall the faster interface alone was not enough to make it the unqualified winner.
And MongoDB, Redis, Elasticsearch... It's not enough to have a guidebook to securing commonly used infrastructure; it must install that way automatically and have a guidebook to punch holes in the security model only when needed.
They're all playing "Notice me senpai!" with the DOJ.
The Net Interprets Brain Damage As Censorship And Routes Around It
First they came for Tim Pool, and we all laughed because he's already on three other platforms.
Anime Trailer of the Day
Apart from the first half of season two - which is where I got stuck the first time - the show is generally strong. Worth getting past that part, even if just for the Froppy episode.
Picture of the Day
Look, I'm not saying no, I'm just saying there are certain practical considerations. Art by @tao15102
Disclaimer: Git projects built by small teams should not be more than a gigabyte. What are you people putting in there?
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Re: the Moon. Rand Simberg at transterrestrial.org thinks it could be done for a lot less if we didn't have the NASA mafia in Congress forcing SLS/Orion and LOP-G.
Posted by: Rick C at Saturday, June 15 2019 11:41 PM (Iwkd4)
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There's a lot of salt needed for that WCCF article. Threadripper 3 on 14nm? Why? That'd be crazy. The smart bet is it's going to be using the same chiplets and IO as the rest of Zen 2.
Also, people keep going on about NUMA starving the two off cores in TR2 but that was pretty much shown to be not the problem at the beginning of this year; IIRC it's mainly the Windows scheduler.
Posted by: Rick C at Saturday, June 15 2019 11:45 PM (Iwkd4)
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I'm waiting to hear if there's going to be a new generation of PBO/PB/XFR in the X570; if not, I will skip it, as I don't have any need in the next year or so for PCIe 4.
Posted by: Rick C at Saturday, June 15 2019 11:52 PM (Iwkd4)
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Apropos of nothing, when I needed a BT name for my phone, I called it "notice mi sempai."
Posted by: Rick C at Saturday, June 15 2019 11:54 PM (Iwkd4)
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Yeah, there is no way AMD can do 64 cores at 14nm; it won't fit. But the I/O die is 14nm, so maybe WCCFTech are just confused about which bits of it are 14nm.
With the new I/O die all cores will have equal access to memory, and with Infinity Fabric 2 they'll have twice the bandwidth and lower latency than before (though we don't yet know how much lower latency). So if there's any advantage of shipping a 64 core HEDT part, even just bragging rights, they can do it.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Saturday, June 15 2019 11:57 PM (PiXy!)
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RE: M4
This should not be a problem, The issue is going to be the next iteration and making sure that Dr. Daystrom doesn't use his own brain engrams to program it.
Posted by: The Brickmuppet at Sunday, June 16 2019 09:16 AM (xOgT9)
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64 cores/14nm: not only that but it would be a wild departure for TR 3000 not to use the same dies/chiplets as the other two product lines.
Posted by: Rick C at Sunday, June 16 2019 12:45 PM (Iwkd4)
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Hidden inside the retro-ugly case is a Ryzen embedded APU - just a tiny one, with 2 cores / 4 threads and Vega 3 graphics. So, basically, 20 times as fast as a Playstation 2.
Modern web-based documentation systems SUCK. Give me back Word! Give me back Ami Pro for that matter.
Video of the Day
Two tech journalists talk tech.
Disclaimer: Bleh. It's been one of those weeks. One of our MongoDB servers died Tuesday; our GitLab server exploded today. No data lost but I could have done without the excitement.
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"our GitLab server exploded today"
People keep saying that but there's an annoying lack of magic smoke.
Posted by: Rick C at Saturday, June 15 2019 01:35 AM (Iwkd4)
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The magic smoke comes out of the Gitlab admins' ears when they're trying to diagnose the problem. Until I had to deal with Gitlab, I didn't even know you could strace every process on the system at the same time and log them all to files, much less need to.
-j
Posted by: J Greely at Saturday, June 15 2019 04:39 AM (ZlYZd)
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I should see if I can find the photos our colo facility sent us a few years ago when one of our servers literally caught fire.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Saturday, June 15 2019 11:42 AM (PiXy!)
(It's behind a semi-paywall; if you register for free you can read three premium articles a month.)
Short version: He installed the MacOS Catalina beta on a six month old MacBook Air and the magic smoke escaped. Dead as a doornail.
Bored. It's been days since anyone radically reinvented computer hardware. Come on, people!
Music Video of the Day Inspired by Jay
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The Floppotron is the current state of the art in computer hardware orchestras. e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q260bjSiyq0
Posted by: Jay at Thursday, June 13 2019 11:30 PM (mrlXS)
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That's really cool. This is my favourite of weird music machine videos though:
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Thursday, June 13 2019 11:55 PM (PiXy!)
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"Craigslist destroyed print journalism that couldn't compete with free
classified advertising, as this was their primary source of
profitability."
Hmm. That should have a higher profile, as I distinctly remember when CL became popular newspapers ranting about it stealing their ad revenue. So on one level, they've just picked a new bad guy. On another, it raises the question of just why the newspapers have done nothing whatsoever to stay relevant for about 20 years now, instead of just whining about how awful competition is.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:26 AM (Iwkd4)
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"one recent trend is the rise of mood or activity-based playlists"
I think this is actually an interesting thing and kinda maybe dispute your position here. I like listening to music radio, YT, etc., but I can't do it while working. If someone came up with "background music I could listen to that wouldn't sap my concentration" I'd probably be all over that.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:29 AM (Iwkd4)
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Re: macbook: Everyone involved in that except the guy who figured out the problem is an idiot and should switch jobs to something that doesn't involve technology.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:30 AM (Iwkd4)
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Also: the macbook story points out stupidity in macland. If you wanted to do more or less the same thing in Windows, you'd log in, plug in the external monitor, hit Windows+P to tell it "only display on the external monitor", then change the sleep settings so the laptop stays awake when the lid's closed, and you're done. You don't mess with the brightness because the LCD's off.
The only drawback is that, at least with Dells, you have to open the lid to power it on if you shut it off previously instead of sleeping it.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:34 AM (Iwkd4)
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"Google says the new API is better in terms of privacy, but also speed,
as Chrome's highly optimized code handles all the web request filtering,
instead of leaving this operation to an extension's slow JavaScript
code."
Uh, no. First off, if JS is slow, fix your engine, Google. Second, since so many sites use so many trackers and ads now--seriously, look at the cookie settings of most "news" sites; if you drill down, they have links to well over 100 separate ad networks they use--that adblocking drastically speeds up page load times. I just checked: with uBlock Origin, Instapundit's site has 54 requests for 1.07MB over 659 ms. Turn both it and Firefox's content blocking off, and the page balloons to 332 request for 5.88MB over 39s. Cnet: blocking on, 84/4MB/1.5s vs 365/14.85/17s.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:40 AM (Iwkd4)
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PSA, re Thurrott: temp-mail.org creates disposable email addresses and isn't blocked like Mailinator.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:44 AM (Iwkd4)
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The Mac story is as much about the idiot user as about the idiot Geniuses and the idiot OS developers. The brightness setting wouldn't survive the motherboard replacement, the second motherboard replacement, or the complete laptop replacement. Which means that he kept deliberately turning the brightness down after each "repair", and forgetting that he'd done it.
I actually ran into a similar problem with my sister's work MacBook Pro, where the screen got cooked when it woke up in her bag; it wouldn't display anything on an external monitor, and none of the usual magic key combinations worked to reset things. Turned out her IT department had it locked down to prevent use of magic keys, and it just didn't like my little portable monitor; it was booting up just fine, and once I plugged in a different monitor, she was able to work. Clearly I should have charged $10,000 for the service...
(And why did the magnetic latch fail in the first place? Because one of her company's little trade-show giveaways was a webcam privacy shield like this one, with their logo on it)
-j
Posted by: J Greely at Friday, June 14 2019 04:24 AM (ZlYZd)
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If I didn't make it clear that the customer was an idiot as well, yeah, he was. But again, you wouldn't even do that in the Windows world (if you weren't an idiot) because there's no need, unless he was doing something weirder than the description suggests.
As far as the privacy shield goes, I guess that's why a sticker is better (unless you want to sometimes use the camera, of course.) I'm guessing the thickness of the shield kept the magnet just too far away to work?
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 05:52 AM (Iwkd4)
Possibly the coolest little tech tidbit of the day is from AMD again.
The new Ryzen 3000 family consists of one or two CPU chiplets (up to 8 cores each) and an I/O die handling memory and PCIe 4.0 and some built-in SATA and USB and other functions. The chiplets are connected to each other using AMD's Infinity Fabric 2 at 50GB/s. On the 12 and 16 core chips the two CPU chiplets are connected directly to each other, and each is also connected to the I/O die.
[Update: Apparently, unlike earlier Epyc and Threadripper chips, the CPU chiplets only talk via the I/O die, and that handles all the routing. That saves a lot of traces on the package, at the expense of latency. But there's no practical way to route 28 interconnects on a 64 core Epyc anyway, which is what would be required. First generation Epyc only requires 6 such links.]
The I/O die connects to the X570 chipset over PCIe 4.0. Like the I/O die, the chipset includes a bunch of PCIe 4.0, SATA, and USB.
Very much like the I/O die, in fact, because it is the I/O die. The I/O chip on the motherboard is the exact same chip as the one on the CPU.
Which in theory means that both the CPU and the X570 have some tricks up their sleeves that weren't previously discussed.
As Brickmuppet notes, I am never facetious. I don't need to be.
"We added a section in which I'll be working with Paul on beekeeping. He's going to send me some meade, I'm going to send him some honey. I don't think the lawyers were particularly enthusiastic about us incorporating some of this into the agreement. I did a tutorial video on beekeeping I was going to send over but got stung in the video, so thought better than to actually send it."
I had to enable notifications on Tohru because we were adding them to our apps at my day job. Holy crap those are annoying.
In anime news, the first half of season two of My Hero Academia is pretty much what I feared. The sports carnival arc contained maybe five episodes of content and eight episodes of dehydrated water. Season one covered four story arcs in the same amount of time.
It gets better immediately after that, though. The internship arc and subsequent episodes have the same mix of more-or-less rational educational procedure and heroic adventure as season one.
Disclaimer: The stars are in auspicious alignment, the various significant moons are in the correct houses, and ambient psychic energies are in balance. All is well, and the universe is at peace. Well, actually 2/3 of our civilization has been decimated by the Ilwrath, but besides that all is well. It is good to see you again.
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Yeah, I nearly bounced off that bit of Arena combat. Especially with Deku supplying the majority of the rules lawyering over people's power and stats....
I haven't watched in a while, so there's a lot in my queue.
Posted by: Mauser at Thursday, June 13 2019 01:52 PM (Ix1l6)
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"On the 12 and 16 core chips the two CPU chiplets are connected directly to each other"
Anandtech says that's not true. I guess we'll find out for sure eventually.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14525/amd-zen-2-microarchitecture-analysis-ryzen-3000-and-epyc-rome
"The EPYC Rome processors, built on these Zen 2 chiplets, will have up to
eight of them, enabling a platform that can support up to 64 cores. As
with the consumer processors, no chiplet can communicate directly with
each other – each chiplet will only connect directly to the central IO
die."
Posted by: Rick C at Thursday, June 13 2019 02:57 PM (Iwkd4)
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Okay, that's different to what I heard earlier, but this is the latest and most complete information, so AnandTech is probably right.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Thursday, June 13 2019 04:40 PM (PiXy!)
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It's probably simpler with IF or whatever they're calling it all on the IO die.
The news that they got a 3950X to 5+GHz all core on LN2 was a bit disappointing because it means there's probably no way to get close to that on air or water, and Zen 2 is probably going to be like Zen+, that is, pretty much no room for overclocking. Even the hardcore overclockers said that you can't really do any better than PB2/PBO, so I suspect that "all-core 4.5 or so" is probably the best there will be--but it'll still probably be a decent bump up from my 1600X which can do 4.0 but I leave at 3.9 for voltage reasons.
Posted by: Rick C at Friday, June 14 2019 02:21 AM (Iwkd4)
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"That's a lot of money for a mainstream desktop processor,"
Is a 16-core processor really "mainstream", though? FWIW, Intel's 16-core processor, which they call HEDT, not mainstream, is $1700 and has a 200MHz lower single-core clock.
Posted by: Rick C at Wednesday, June 12 2019 12:03 AM (Iwkd4)
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Eight cores was HEDT just two years ago. AMD has reshaped the entire market, twice.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, June 12 2019 02:13 AM (PiXy!)
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I really like the idea of the 3950X--and it's nice to know the rumor last week wasn't fake--but I don't know what I'd do with 16, or even 12, cores. I plan on waiting for the first reviews to come out and I'll probably stick with 6 cores or maybe upgrade to 8. I'm more interested in highest clock speed available than core count beyond that.
Posted by: Rick C at Wednesday, June 12 2019 05:06 AM (Iwkd4)
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I'm still not really taxing my 8-Core FX. Although SOMETHING keeps causing me to bluescreen if I open too many Facebook tabs at once in either of my browsers. Random bluescreens to. I'm beginning to wonder if it's a very small memory defect.
Posted by: Mauser at Wednesday, June 12 2019 11:06 AM (Ix1l6)