It's like a newspaper headline taken from a 70's science fiction novel to show that we really are in the 21st century. You get a few items that you understand, like:
California Expands DNA Identification Policies India Launches 10 Satellites At Once First Superheavy Element Found In Nature
And then they drive the point home, with one that doesn't even give you a frame of reference.
Mind you, Usability Testing Hardy Heron With a Girlfriend is pretty obscure as well.
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India definitely gets a prize for the goofiest space launcher. Even in the core-alone configuration used this time, it consists of a 4-stage sandwich: sold-hypergol-solid-hypergol. But this is not all. The GSLV consistes of the PSLV sandwich core and two hyperholic boosters made out of PSLV's second stage with bigger tanks. The solid core burns out before the strap-ons, so the vehicle flies for half a minute on the power of strap-ons before the whole contraption separates.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Wednesday, April 30 2008 05:02 AM (qNSKg)
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Whee. As long as they don't try to launch manned craft with that thing...
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, April 30 2008 02:54 PM (PiXy!)
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Subjecting a friend, let alone a girlfriend, to useability testing an OS sounds like cruel and unusual torture.
Or at least grounds for splitting up.
Posted by: Andrew at Thursday, May 01 2008 01:51 PM (IjI9H)
pixy, you guys are my heroes. i just got called a eugenicist at Protein Wisdom for linking Dr. Pournelle. morrisey (captain stupid) at hotair just called the bell curve psuedoscience. the barbarians are at the gate, and a thin line of rightside core intelligentsia is all that prevent the theocons from implimenting a modern day Handmaids Tale on a larger than the texas polygamy ranch.
I'm sure that many of my readers are quite capable of figuratively extracting square- and cube-roots in their sleep, but does anyone else literally do this?
Just woke up from a nap with an accurate but unhelpful answer to a problem in my head...
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Yeah, that has happened to me at times, especially when I really wanted to solve the problem that bugged me. More often than not, they were physics problems, though. <3 Physics.
Posted by: Michael at Monday, April 28 2008 09:44 AM (MdyQq)
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So now a recording can be more perfect than it anyone can actually play.
Just like LotR digitally colored every frame to make New Zealand prettier than it is in real life (and it's the prettiest place on Earth).
In management we talk about managing customer expectations; the key to keeping people happy is keeping their expectations realistic. What are we going to do when Hollywood makes people's expectations for life unrealistic?
Oh, wait... we're already there.
Posted by: Yahzi at Monday, April 28 2008 03:23 AM (yn9dj)
Much nonsense has been written on the subject of human consciousness, from both those whom we would expect to know better, such as Roger Penrose in The Emperor's New Mind* and those whom we wouldn't, such as John Searle in his Chinese Room piffle.**
Jaynes claims that until very recently - as late as the 10th century BC - the human mind was not unified as we find it today, but bicameral, the left hemisphere disconnected from the right. Humans of the day were effectively schizophrenic, not in the soap-opera sense of having multiple personalities, but in the genuine clinical sense of paranoia and hearing voices.
Jaynes' evidence for this is literary. He argues that older works such as the Iliad display no sign of such modern mental faculties as introspection, where more recent works, such as the Odyssey, do show this.
Now, perhaps it happened that in both translations of the Iliad that I have to hand*** the obvious implications of introspection were the result of careless editing. Jaynes is a psychologist, not a historian or linguist, but perhaps he reads fluent Ionic Greek. Never mind that.
Never mind that even if these two poems were not the work of the same man (which is historically uncertain), they were likely created only about a century apart, not a very long time for such a significant evolution of human mentality. Never mind that people not only write poems and stories like this today, but act like this today, and yet are often not diagnosably schizophrenic. Never mind either that this is not at all the behaviour we see in unfortunate individuals who do suffer from a bicameral mind or split brain.
In the story, Gilgamesh rejects the advances of the goddess Ishtar because he has read the myths and knows that this never ends well for the hero.
Yes folks, it's a trope subversion, and one that predates the Iliad by hundreds of years, if not a thousand and more. This particular passage is only found in the Akkadian version of the Epic; the much older Babylonian version is incomplete and doesn't appear to refer to this part of the tale. Nevertheless, the entire tale of Gilgamesh is deeply and incontrovertibly introspective, rendering Jaynes' thesis incoherent on a literary basis as well.
And the whole topic arose only because I was browsing the TV Tropes wiki for a subject that I have now entirely forgotten.
* Penrose argues three points: First, that human consciousness is non-algorithmic, which is very likely true; that human-like consciousness could not arise from a Universal Turing Machine, which is unsupported by logic or evidence; and that human consciousness is directly dependent on quantum events, which is impossible.
** Searle's argument goes like this: Suppose we have a man locked in a room with a library full of books. He receives via a slot in the wall, pieces of paper covered with illegible symbols. Following instructions in the books, he writes a new set of symbols on another piece of paper and feeds that back out through the slot.
Unbeknownst to the man in the box, the symbols are Chinese; the pieces of paper he receives are questions, and the pieces of paper he returns are answers. He neither speaks nor reads a word of Chinese, and yet via the Room he is conducting fluent conversations.
Searle argues that since the man does not understand Chinese, artificial intelligence is impossible.
If you experienced a Huh? moment there, you are not alone. The argument rests on a multitude of fallacies, including - depending on where how you slice it - self-contradiction, circularity, assuming the consequent, the fallacy of composition, and a good old-fashioned helping of non-sequitur.
To put it most simply, though the man doesn't understand Chinese - because Searle stipulated that - the room does - because Searle stipulated that. There are more subtle arguments to Searle's incorrectness, but it's not necessary to go into those here, because Searle's response is always the same, to wit, "Artificial intelligence is impossible because I said so."
*** E. V. Rieu's prose version and Richmond Lattimore's verse translation.
There are two problems with the idea of quantum consciousness. First is
that it is an unnecessary hypothesis; human consciousness displays no
signs of quantum behaviour. Second is that it's impossible.
Quantum consciousness is to neuroscience what homeopathy is to medicine.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Sunday, April 27 2008 03:21 PM (PiXy!)
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I had the same reaction to the Chinese room when I first heard it: the room understands Chinese. That was obvious to me, but maybe it was because I was already a computer programmer. The idea of distilling understanding to a physically instantiated algorithm just didn't seem all that surprising. I mean, that's exactly what you do with a computer program.
Posted by: Yahzi at Monday, April 28 2008 03:32 AM (yn9dj)
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While Jaynes thesis has really no evidence going for it, its such a neat idea that it has shown up in fiction several times.
Posted by: Kayle at Monday, April 28 2008 05:24 PM (yG9oH)
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Actually, when you stick *only* to the oldest available version of the Gilgamesh epic, the evidence for introspection resembling the form you see even in the Odyssey is pretty close to nil.
Have you actually bothered to *read* the damned book? *Something* clearly changed in humanity's cognitive architecture over the period he's interested in, and it's to Jaynes' credit that he made a pretty compelling attempt at sketching an explanation for several odd things that need explaining. It sounded wacky to me when I first heard about it, but having gone into the book skeptically I've found myself actually using his ideas as a jumping-off point into my own research right now (I'm in neurobiology w/ an interest in human brain evolution).
I can't say much right now without giving the game away, but I can say that while Jaynes (unsurprisingly) got the functional neuroanatomy wrong, he was onto something. Things haven't stood still since the late '70s, and surprisingly the main thrust of the book is actually *more* credible now than it was then. (Hint: begin here.)
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Shoshin, extrapolating all of humanity's mental capabilities from one book is not really valid.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Wednesday, April 30 2008 06:02 AM (+rSRq)
Actually, when you stick *only* to the oldest available version of the
Gilgamesh epic, the evidence for introspection resembling the form you
see even in the Odyssey is pretty close to nil.
So it's introspective - the whole Epic is undeniably deeply introspective - but not in the right way? And you chalk this up to major evolutionary changes rather than literary ones, when humans had been around a hundred times longer than literature?
*Something* clearly changed in humanity's cognitive architecture over the period he's interested in
Clearly nothing. As I said, people write stories the same way today; people act the same way today.
I'm aware of the evidence for the acceleration of human evolution. But we're not lizards on an island, and there is zero biological evidence to support Jaynes, and considerable evidence refuting him. As I also noted, we know how bicameral minds behave, and it's not at all as Jaynes suggests.
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Then it's a good thing that's not what I'm doing, Steve. It's actually just one mental capability that happens to be a really good trick.
Andrew, I notice you didn't answer my question. I'll take that as a no. And I am in fact denying that the epic, in its oldest incarnation, is deeply introspective -- the only convincing bits that show this are from later Akkadian versions. And I am in fact denying that people think, write, and act in the same way today. (Well, almost all people -- there are actually some alive that are more or less the same, but then telling you who they are would be a spoiler.)
"Bicameral" refers to the functional hypothesis -- the idea that during the 12,000-4000 YBP period people took marching orders from hallucinations. This part, I think, has something to it, though its plausibility hinges a lot on Jaynes' underlying ideas about the evolution of language, which are actually pretty smart too. Callosotomized patients are actually not at the top of the list of reasons to believe Jaynes got the neuroanatomy wrong, which you'd know if you'd RTFB, because not only does he spend about five pages discussing them, but his actual anatomical hypothesis centers around the anterior commissure, not the corpus callosum. But it's still wrong, I think, for other reasons.
"Zero biological evidence", eh? So the dozens of genes expressed during brain development that have been shown to have undergone strong selection in the last 6K years -- those are what, nothing? We don't really know precisely what they do yet, but the evidence for cognitive change in humans over the last few thousand years is there in the DNA, and it's not controversial.
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"And you chalk this up to major evolutionary changes rather than
literary ones, when humans had been around a hundred times longer than
literature?"
1. Not a major evolutionary change; there's no such thing. It's one small change (well, technically *two* small changes...) that had big consequences.
2. Not just literature, but what the literature tells us about the psychology of the authors. Jaynes actually tried to hedge by suggesting ways that this could have been a solely cultural thing and did some handwaving about plasticity (ironic that this is the one area where he showed insufficient boldness), but a story involving biological change driven by natural selection actually makes *more* sense than one that doesn't.
Posted by: Shoshin at Wednesday, April 30 2008 01:12 PM (5XE7d)
Andrew, I notice you didn't answer my question. I'll take that as a no.
Sorry, I was running late for work when I posted that. You are correct.
Does it matter? What you are arguing seems to coincide almost completely with my expectations. (Though I'm glad that he at least addressed the subject of corpus callosotomies. Doesn't make his argument any less absurd, though.)
And I am in fact denying that the epic, in its oldest incarnation, is
deeply introspective -- the only convincing bits that show this are
from later Akkadian versions.
And I disagree entirely. The Epic is essentially and unavoidably introspective. The whole point of it is introspection. Are you arguing about the way it is written? Can you point me to a specific translation that you think supports this?
"Bicameral" refers to the functional hypothesis -- the idea that during
the 12,000-4000 YBP period people took marching orders from
hallucinations.
Which is ridiculous. I've read the Old Testament, the Iliad and Odyssey, parts of the Epic of Gilgamesh, various translations of Greek and Roman and Egyptian myth. The people who wrote these works, the fictional or fictionalised characters who appear in them, are modern people, no different to you or I except in the specifics of their beliefs.
Do you realise just how many people today fervently believe in gods, angels, demons, ghosts, spirits and other such supernatural phenomena? Do you have any grasp on how many of these people believe they have received actual signs and messages from these beings? Have you read the New Testament? The Odyssey? Modern religious literature? If introspection only arose when the bicameral mind unified (which I absolutely dismiss), and the bicameral mind was the source of beliefs in spirits (which I absolutely dismiss), then why do we see clear evidence of introspection before the event and incontrovertible evidence of belief in spirits after?
"Zero biological evidence", eh? So the dozens of genes expressed during
brain development that have been shown to have undergone strong
selection in the last 6K years -- those are what, nothing?
Yep. Show me one that is actually linked to this "bicameral mind" foolishness. Show me the recessive trait that would have to have persisted to the modern day. Show me the individuals today who won a double helping of this gene in the genetic lottery. Show me that they are different, mentally and genetically, from the rest of us.
We don't really know precisely what they do yet, but the evidence for
cognitive change in humans over the last few thousand years is there in
the DNA, and it's not controversial.
Fine, "evidence for cognitive change". I'm not denying that humans and the human brain are subject to evolutionary change. I'm saying there is zero evidence for Jaynes' thesis.
Not a major evolutionary change; there's no such thing. It's one small
change (well, technically *two* small changes...) that had big
consequences.
Of course it's a major evolutionary change, and of course there are such things. You don't get them from single mutations; you don't get them in short periods of time; and you don't get them spreading instantly out to completely isolated sub-populations. From a standpoint of population genetics too, Jaynes' idea is ludicrous.
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Not just literature, but what the literature tells us about the
psychology of the authors. Jaynes actually tried to hedge by suggesting
ways that this could have been a solely cultural thing and did some
handwaving about plasticity (ironic that this is the one area where he
showed insufficient boldness), but a story involving biological change
driven by natural selection actually makes *more* sense than one that
doesn't.
Absurd. Utterly absurd.
Literature
changes over time. If you ever bothered to read any, you would have
noticed this. New forms, new styles, new techniques. At the time the
Epic of Gilgamesh was invented, literature was brand new. There wasn't
anything to refer to, no comparison, no extant body of criticism. There
was oral tradition, but literature was an entirely new invention. We'd
be astonished if there wasn't a marked difference in literary approaches a thousand years later.
In short, you, like Jaynes, present flimsy and subjective literary evidence, and no biological evidence that such a thing could happen,
much less that it did happen. Nor do you address any of the obvious
objections to the idea, literary, biological, psychological or
sociological. Not least that any species taking "marching orders from
hallucinations" is doomed to extinction in a matter of weeks, as we can
observe in creatures infested with certain types of parasite.
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"Show me one that is actually
linked to this "bicameral mind" foolishness. Show me the recessive
trait that would have to have persisted to the modern day. Show me the
individuals today who won a double helping of this gene in the genetic
lottery. Show me that they are different, mentally and genetically,
from the rest of us."
Working on it.
"Show me" is an attitude I respect, but all I can do at the moment is write out an IOU.
Re: pop-gen, you're wrong. Take lactase persistance as a toy model: 6000 years ago, nobody in Europe had it. Now the vast majority do. The frequency of dominant alleles under positive directional selection follows a sigmoid curve as a function of time: lots of time at low frequencies (>0.2), a comparatively sudden zoom to high frequency (<0.
, then a long time approaching fixation. The time frame is exactly what you'd expect for something with a selection differential of around 10%, of which we have several established examples in humans. Again, not controversial.
Hallucinations can actually be adaptive. When someone draws using perspective, you're hallucinating a 3D image. And a damn good thing, too. Evolution doesn't care about how veridical your perceptions are except insofar as they *work*.
I'm in kind of a rush myself, so that's going to have to be the extent of it -- engaging in exegesis of ancient texts would turn into this into a week-long marathon and I'm sure we have better things to do. This is kind of inherently futile anyway, since you're speaking from a position of comparative ignorance and I'm speaking from one of self-imposed secrecy since I'm hoping to get some papers out of this eventually. I mainly interjected because it annoys me when people bash things they haven't taken the trouble to understand just to make themselves feel clever.
Toodles.
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Smilies: oh how I hate them. 0.8 != sunglasses.
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Also managed to get my < and > mixed up. How embarrassing.
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Because someone's trying to run a phpBB attack against my blog. The gobbledegook that's supposed to decode into a code injection decodes instead into a request for a null page, which raises an exception.
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The Stupid Files
Today's dose of burning stupid comes to us courtesy of Lynne McTaggart of The Intention Experiment.
What is The Intention Experiment? Well, about 13 hours from now, McTaggart plans to change the spectroscopic fingerprint of a sample of water by thinking at it.
Yes, you read that correctly.
She's planning to point a Raman spectrometer at a beaker of water, and think good (or perhaps bad) thoughts at it for a few hours, in hopes that it will change. Change what? Well, she doesn't exactly say. There are three things that can change a spectroscopic fingerprint: A change in the actual chemical structure of the compound you're studying; uneven mixtures of impurities; and random variation because you're running an experiment with no controls and no clearly stated goals.
It's a bit like modern "ghost hunters": Get hold of an extremely sensitive scientific instrument that you don't understand, and wave it about until it registers a reading that it wasn't showing before. It doesn't matter what the reading is, because you haven't bothered to make any predictions or set up any controls. Any reading at all will do.
More generally, this is termed a unicorn hunt: Go out, find something, and call it a unicorn.
McTaggart brings real scientific expertise to the table, in the form of, well, I'll let her tell it:
Scientists like Dr. Rustum Roy, who is an expert on water, at the
University of Pennsylvania, have recorded the structuring of water with
electromagnetic radiation.
Professor Roy is an elderly but respected materials scientist specialising in ceramics, which is not notably a category featuring water among its members. He famously lent his name to a paper proposing structures in water as a potential mechanism for homeopathy based entirely on Raman spectroscopic analysis of alcohol. Which is not only not a ceramic, but also not water. Said paper also lacked any proper controls, or any relevant discussion of what was being measured and how. Again, all they were looking for was anomalies, with no prior definition of what would be considered anomalous.
In short, it's unicorns all the way down.
McTaggart is no fool: She's using the notoriety of this ludicrous bit of pseudo-science to flog her books and DVDs, which I can recommend highly to no-one at all.
CPanel does its daily update thing, and promptly commits suicide by segfault. I've managed to get CPanel going again, but WHM is still down. Bleh and double bleh.
Update: Nothing I tried seem to fix it, so I waited a day and did a forced update of the entire mess. And now it works.
Automatic updates: They're good for you. Yep.
Well, to be fair, that's the first time in four years of running CPanel that it's spontaneously combusted in that fashion. Which is rather better luck than I've had with Windows.
Which reminds me - we need to add another letter to the Latin alphabet; either that, or standardize on duodecimal arithmetic. At the moment, the upper and lower case letters plus the digits give us 62 symbols, which is not enough for handy base-64 encoding, which is what Youtube uses for their public IDs. Which means a Youtube ID can begin with -, which is not exactly obvious when you're cutting and pasting. (Not in this case, but in general.)
This article at Real Detroit Weekly includes some snippets from an interview with Expelled associate producer Mark Mathis (scroll down to the bottom to find the section titled Unevolved) who shows a depth of understanding of Evolutionary Theory rivalling Stein's. True masochists can find an hour-long discussion betweent Mathis and the editors of Scientific America here.
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Who made that video? The attack on the word supernatural ("it's a crutch"), while funny, came off a little bitter for general consumption, and not biting enough for the in-crowd.
I particularly loved it when Stein complained that the ToE didn't explain gravity. You know what? The ToE doesn't explain why my socks have holes in them. But the ToID (Theory of Intelligent Design... say the acronym out loud a few times, and imagine you're from Brooklyn) does. My socks have holes, gravity works, and people exist because God wanted it that way. There you go. Problem solved. Case closed. We can shut down the universities and put the professors to work doing something useful, like growing rice and reading Mao.
Oh, wait, somebody already did that...
Posted by: Yahzi at Monday, April 28 2008 03:48 AM (yn9dj)
They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old: Age shall not weary them, nor the years contemn. At the going down of the sun and in the morning We will remember them.
I was recently arguing in the comments at LGF with someone who claimed that the Theory of Evolution provided the basis for the Holocaust, much as Ben Stein does in Expelled.
He (the commenter, not Stein) provided a blatantly racist quote from T. H. Huxley in support of this claim. I countered that Huxley was morally and scientifically wrong; that such racism was endemic in the mid-19th century, even among abolitionists; and that the quote was taken from an essay Huxley wrote arguing for the abolition of slavery. And I provided a similarly racist quote from a abolition speech by Abraham Lincoln.
So said commenter asked me - rather condescendingly - what grand change had taken place in Evolutionary Theory since Huxley's day to make him scientifically wrong in this. And I pointed out that while race is a valid evolutionary concept, it doesn't apply to humans, because we lack sufficient genetic diversity. We're all one race.
The response asked, don't I think that this is miraculous? Clearly implying the hand of you-know-who.
And I said no; it just means we went through a genetic bottleneck in recent times, evolutionarily speaking. Much like cheetahs, which almost went extinct. But, I speculated, humans are more diverse than cheetahs, so we likely weren't as close to extinction as they.
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In reading this brief description of a revolutionary way to track human lineage via population DNA mapping, I was struck by the theorized reduction of human numbers to the thousands. What is stated is the prolonged drought conditions in East Africa for several tens of thousands of years. I note that such conditions strongly imply a period of global warming. So, here's the right hand turn into bizarro contemporary political correctness and politics: how could this disaster be Bush's fault? And how could global warming occur in the absence of human-caused green-house gases? Kind of makes you look at pedants like Al Gore and think "Gosh, maybe planetary weather trends have extremes irrespective of human activity. Maybe the assumptions that current climate trends are caused by human activities, are just that, assumptions". Of course, that would be an inconvenient truth.
Posted by: Raging Duck at Friday, April 25 2008 06:03 PM (wyKPM)
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Global warming and cooling periods have affected the Earth even in historical times. The Vikings settled Greenland, for example, during the Medieval Warm Period. Who today would voluntarily settle that place, much less name it "Greenland".
And then, during the Little Ice Age that followed, the Greenland colonies were wiped out.
The theory of Anthropogenic Global Warming is based on two factors: Global trends towards higher temperatures, and trends towards increased greenhouse gases in the atmosphere (primarily CO2, but also methane and others).
It's quite certain that if we pump enough CO2 into the atmosphere, temperatures will soar. It's the subject of mathematical modelling whether the amount of added CO2 at present is the cause of the temperature increases we've seen. The models are pretty convincing, but it's not an open-and-shut case.
It's still a good idea not to ignore the potential problem. Human industrial activity is large enough in scale to eliminate our biosphere by accident if we don't manage it properly. CFC's and the ozone layer were a pretty direct example of cause and effect, and in that case we acted promptly and the ozone layer recovered as predicted.
I'm no shrieking greenie, but I'm solidly in favour of constructing more nuclear reactors to replace coal-fired plants; the nuclear reactors are cleaner, produce negligible greenhouse gases, and release less radioactivity than coal.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Friday, April 25 2008 07:56 PM (PiXy!)
3"Gosh, maybe planetary weather trends have extremes irrespective of
human activity. Maybe the assumptions that current climate trends are
caused by human activities, are just that, assumptions"
Giant meteors falling out of the sky and wiping out 90% of life on Earth are also purely natural phenomena, irrespective of human activity. And you know what? I don't want that to happen either.
If building a fleet of nuclear armed-spacecraft is what it takes to stop the next perfectly natural meteor, then I'm fine with paying for that. If reducing carbon emissions is what it takes to stop or mitigate the next perfectly natural global warming, then I'm fine with paying for that. Heck, I'm even fine with removing carbon from the atmosphere in an attempt to control the planet's natural cycles for our benefit.
What, exactly, do conservatives find disagreeable about this? When did the conservative movement buy into the liberal "naturalist" fallacy? Why is "it's natural" considered an answer to "the climate is changing" by the very same people who would be outraged if "it's natural" were the answer to the question "I'm bleeding and I'm going to die if you don't do something?"
Posted by: Yahzi at Monday, April 28 2008 04:03 AM (yn9dj)
If reducing carbon emissions is what it takes to stop or mitigate the next perfectly natural global warming, then I'm fine with paying for that.
What, exactly, do conservatives find disagreeable about this?
There's no evidence yet that reducing carbon emissions would have any effect at all on global warming. I'm against useless gestures which would be profoundly harmful in other ways.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Monday, April 28 2008 07:09 AM (+rSRq)
While it is true that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the most important greenhouse gas on Earth is H2O. As vapor, water tends to trap heat. As clouds, water tends to reject heat. Both effects are stronger than the influence of the tiny amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. Also, CO2 is a trailing indicator of temperature change. As the temperature of the oceans rises, the solubility of dissolved gases including CO2 drops. The CO2 comes out of solution and goes into the air.
It is estimated that, if humans were to cease producing CO2 altogether (don't breathe!), the effect on climate temperatures would be too small to measure.
Finally, there are advantages to both warming and increased CO2. More CO2 makes plants grow better and need less irrigation.
Posted by: Dave at Wednesday, April 30 2008 02:58 PM (CkIMy)
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As you say, CO2 is normally a trailing indicator, and in current events may well also be partially a trailing indicator. But we are dumping unusual (not unprecedented, but unusual) amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere, and it is a greenhouse gas, so caution is indicated.
You're right also that warming and CO2 both have benefits as well as costs. (Actually, I'm not sure there are any direct costs of increased CO2, at least at moderate levels.) But if climates change, say, it grows warmer, and the corn belt moves north (south in the southern hemisphere), the area with climatic conditions ideal for growing corn may coincide less with areas with soil suitable for growing corn, because the soils there were conditioned by millennia of a colder climate. And even if it works out even or better, transplanting agriculture from Kansas and Oklahoma to Manitoba and Saskatchewan is going to have its costs too.
So while I don't agree with the doomsayers, I do agree with those who advise caution. And nuclear reactors are shiny. Shiny is good.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, April 30 2008 05:18 PM (PiXy!)
Ben Stein, quoting Charles Darwin in Expelled Exposed in an effort to tie Evolution to Nazism:
With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated. We
civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of
elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the
sick. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their
kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will
doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. Hardly
anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
And what Darwin actually said:
With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health.
We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process
of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the
sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their
utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is
reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a
weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus
the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one
who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that
this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising
how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the
degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man
himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.
Quote mining is the last refuge of a scoundrel.
(Thanks to Scientific American, who go on to list five more things that Ben Stein doesn't want you to know.)
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Why the hell do we at Ace O Spades have New Comment Thingy?
Because whatever value it had in slowing the spam flood is TOTALLY GONE. Spambots aren't even bothering to wait until the next day before attaching their shit to posts.
There are a billion suggestions I could offer in killing this scourge, but the underlying question is: are you even planning to fight it?
Posted by: someone at Wednesday, April 23 2008 04:07 PM (2z2WN)
The reason Ace has New Comments Thingy is because Movable Type was taking over a minute to post a single comment. And it was even worse at stopping spam.
We'll be moving Ace to a new blogging system very soon - we've been testing it on a copy of his blog for a little while now, and we're just putting in a few more tweaks before switching over. I was aiming to have it ready last weekend, but had to put it off until next weekend. But it's very close.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, April 23 2008 04:29 PM (PiXy!)
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Oh, and when we move, we'll be doing a bulk filter of all the comments, so almost all of the old spam will disappear. The new filtering system isn't perfect, but it's pretty good.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, April 23 2008 04:35 PM (PiXy!)