• The reviews of AMD's Ryzen 7000 are in and it looks pretty darn good.  (AnandTech)
  
  The first PassMark scores are in too.
  
  The 7950X is 25% faster than the 5950X single-threaded, and 44% faster multi-threaded.  (CPUBenchmark.net)
  
  The 7900X is 35% faster than the 5900X on multi-threaded tests, confirming that the 5950X was indeed limited by power / thermals, and the increase to 170W has fixed that.
  
  And finally, while Intel's upcoming 13900K has a small advantage on single-threaded tasks - around 8% - the 7950X beats it by 21% on multi-threaded work.
  
  Which means - if you read through all 20 pages of that AnandTech review and get to the experiment at the end - that if you turn the power down on the 7950X all the way from 170W to 65W, it is still slightly faster than the 13900K, because that only reduced multi-threaded performance by 18%.
  
  And that means two things: First, AMD's upcoming Dragon Range laptop chip will deliver true desktop-class performance to high-end laptops.  And second, if they could jam in the chiplets somehow, AMD could deliver 32 cores in Socket AM5 without any real bottlenecks.
  
  
  
• Bae case quite notably has not moved from the depot.  I called again and they put in a redelivery request again.  And this time gave me a case number to refer to when I call again tomorrow.
  
  Their web site is still broken.
  
  
  

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• The Banana Pi PicoW is an ESP32-S3 board in the same form factor as the Raspberry Pi Pico.  (Tom's Hardware)
  
  It appears to have a faster CPU - twice the clock speed plus vector operations for DSP, but lacks the programmable I/O controller of the Raspberry flavour.  That Raspberry Pi Pico's I/O controller is so powerful that it can generate an HDMI signal entirely in software.
  
  
  
• Venus before Mars?  (The Guardian)
  
  There's an argument being presented for making a manned mission to Venus before Mars.  There's one major upside: Venus at closest approach is much easier to reach, and a flyby and return mission could be done in a year, against three years for Mars.
  
  There's one major downside: If you land, you die.  It's actually quite pleasant a few miles up, but visiting a planet and never touching the ground because it's instant death does seem to defeat the purpose just a tiny bit.
  
  
  
• If the iPhone app you developed is working fine and doesn't need to be updated, Apple will delete it from the App Store.  (Simulated Annealing)
  
  Because fuck you, that's why.

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• Intel's high-end Arc A770 graphics card is coming October 5.  (Tom's Hardware)
  
  On the one hand, any competition for Nvidia and AMD in this space is welcome.
  
  On the other hand, Intel's high-end card is expected to compete with the RTX 3060 or possibly the 3060 Ti, which are low to mid-range cards.
  
  And on the third hand, Intel's dedication to dedicated graphics is dubious, and the entire venture could be dead in two years.
  
  We'll see how they go in the benchmarks, and if the drivers have improved in the past few weeks, because last time the tech sites took a look the driver situation was a disaster.
  
  
  
• Bae case arrives tomorrow.  It actually arrived last Friday but I was otherwise occupied at that precise moment and it went away again.  Time to camp out in the living room all day where I can see the courier van approaching.
  
  Also, StarTrack?  Fix your website.  It's one thing to not be able to schedule a redelivery because there's a glitch somewhere, but that took me to the contact form, and that also glitched out...  And took me to the contact form.
  
  At least your call center is reasonably efficient.

• The low-end Ryzen 7000 chips - the six core 7600X and the eight core 7700X - are also a big improvement over their respective predecessors.  (WCCFTech)
  
  Across multiple benchmarks - including tasks that take advantage of AVX512 - the 7600X averages 48% faster than the 5600X.  Meanwhile the 7700X averages 39% faster than the 5800X.  And there will likely be a faster 7800X eight core model in the near future.
  
  AMD's implementation of AVX512 is halved but not half-baked.  It works by using the existing 256-bit hardware twice, but supports the more advanced AVX512 instruction set.  The result is 85% better average performance on code that can take advantage of the new instructions, without the cost in die size and power consumption that comes from a full 512-bit floating point unit.
  
  
  
• JMAP is IMAP but sane.  (Unencumbered By Facts)
  
  Which is probably a death sentence on the internet.
  
  IMAP is one of the three main email protocols (SMTP for sending, and POP and IMAP for receiving.)  JMAP modernises it by running over HTTPS and using JSON as the data format.
  
  While JSON isn't perfect, the early internet protocols (including HTTP itself) are all text based and each needs its own dedicated parser, and there's a long history of subtle bugs in those parsers leading to disaster.
  
  Every programming language in the world can read JSON data, and the format is simple enough and universal enough that most of the horrible bugs have already happened to someone else.
  
  This makes it much easier to built a reliable email client, just leaving the problem that the big email providers make it almost impossible to deliver email to anyone anymore.
  
  
  
• 58 bytes of CSS to make your web pages look great everywhere, or at least not terrible in most places, probably.  (GitHub)
  
  A few variations are provided taking the total payload as high as 200 bytes.

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• Intel's 13900K has a PassMark score.  (WCCFTech)
  
  PassMark - the benchmark used on CPUBenchmark.net - isn't a perfect benchmark, since there's no perfect benchmark except running your own application on the target hardware.  But I've found it to map very closely to the stuff I run, so it's the one I pay attention to.
  
  Score is 4833 single-threaded and 54,433 multi-threaded.  That's around the same multi-threaded score as the 24 core Threadripper 3960X, which uses 280W.
  
  On the other hand, the 3960X came out nearly three years ago, the 13900K uses up to 350W itself if you take off the limits, and the 13900K is also a 24 core CPU.
  
  On the third hand, the 13900K is 80% faster on single-threaded tasks on its Performance cores; it's the Efficiency cores that drag the overall score down.
  
  Still, if the difference between the cores doesn't matter to you, you're getting a workstation-class CPU from a couple of years ago in a standard desktop.

• Meanwhile the 7950X has been pushed to 6.5GHz on all cores.  (WCCFTech)
  
  On liquid nitrogen, yes, so this is probably not something you'll be doing yourself.  And it set some benchmark records, but again, not something you'll see direct benefits from.
  
  What is interesting though is that it only used 270W to do it - something that high-end Intel desktop chips can do without overclocking at all.
  
  I mean, that's still a lot, but it suggests that a good water cooler should be able to  support a respectable all-core overclock on this beastie.
  
  
  
• Get3D generates 3D models from images.  (GitHub)
  
  It's another of the recent wave of AI-based image generation tools, though it takes a slightly different tack, analysing sets of images and trying to build a consistent 3D model from them.  The 2D tools - like Midjourney, which I've been playing with - don't actually have that kind of model of the shape of things, and will simply forget that a person's arms should be roughly the same length, for example, and end with hands.
  
  Since Midjourney (and similar tools) can take an image as reference, you could run the training data through Get3D, generate meshes, render them out into a scene, and then play that scene into the 2D generator to get a final product with consistent geometry, in that people don't suddenly have two heads.
  
  
  
• The new wave of JavaScript web frameworks and why they should all burn.  (Front End Mastery)
  
  "Inspired by PHP" is a label very much akin to "LD 50 1ng/kg".
  
  
  
• Nobody wants plant-based meat.  (The Guardian)
  
  A vegan friend mentioned that she tried these products a couple of times and couldn't stand the taste.  If you you're not vegan or vegetarian, traditionally plant-based meat - the kind where you have a cow eat the grass for you - is just as healthy and a lot cheaper.
  
  
  
• NASA's test launch for the Artemis Moon rocket has been scrubbed for the third time in a row.  (CNN)
  
  Unexpectedly.
  
  
  
• People can't even be bothered to steal Amazon's Rings of Power series.  (TorrentFreak)
  
  I might check it out at some point.  They actually did a pretty good job on Good Omens, and I have a Prime subscription for the free delivery (a big deal now that I'm 300 miles by road from the nearest warehouse).
  
  
  
• Meanwhile I'm watching Kumo Desu Ga, Nani Ka? a.k.a So I'm a Spider, So What?
  
  It's the usual power-trip wish-fulfilment story of a teenage shut-in transported to a world that works like a computer game where they get untold power, except that first, the main character is a girl - common in early "isekai" stories, less so now - and second, in the fantasy world, she's a spider.
  
  It works because being a spider, even a magical spider in a magical world, is pretty awful, and because she survives through intelligence and determination, not through luck or being handed the world on a plate.
  
  I hesitated to watch this one because I'd already read a thousand pages of the manga and I knew the anime took a different approach to the story.  But not to worry, while the approach is different, the story itself is intact.
  
  Some things that take a long time to surface in the manga are apparent right away in the anime, but that turns out not to spoil things because even then you still don't know everything that's going on.  My guess based on those thousand pages turned out to be dead wrong.

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• The US wants to become a hydrogen production powerhouse.  (The Verge)
  
  Yeah, right.
  
  
  
• Why this won't work.  (Robert Zubrin)
  
  Repost, because people keep falling for this shit.
  
  It's solar freaking roadways except about a thousand times more expensive.

• Sundar Pichai to Google employees: Quit whining and get to work, you useless wankers.  (Thurrott.com)
  
  You've spent most of the past decade hiring and promoting useless wankers.  No sympathy.  Go down in flames.
  
  
  
• Well, fuck: The US government, not satisfied with wasting money on "clean hydrogen", wants to ruin open source software.  (Senate.Gov)
  
  Yes, the Log4j debacle could have been fixed at any time and saved the world billions of dollars if someone had just provided a few thousand dollars in funding, but the US government is one of the worst groups to get involved, and defining open source software as infrastructure is one of the worst ways to do it.
  
  
  
• Physisicsts have finally figured out how high-temperature superconductors work.  (Quanta)
  
  High temperature here means around -140C (-220F).  The original superconductors, which are well understood, functioned only at temperatures close to absolute zero - -273C / -459F - a temperature difficult and expensive to approach.  You really need liquid helium for that.  High temperature superconductors work in cheap and plentiful liquid nitrogen.
  
  Oh, the answer?  Super glue.
  
  

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• Nvidia's new graphics cards are two to four times faster than the previous generation - if you are using ray tracing and upscaling.  (PC Magazine)
  
  If you're not using ray tracing and upscaling, they're not.
  
  Except somehow in the case of Microsoft Flight Simulator, where they are - and somehow the RTX 4080 is the same speed as the much more expensive RTX 4090.
  
  
  
• Nvidia also explained why the new cards are so much more expensive than the previous generation: Because.  (PC Magazine)
  
  
  
• And to gamers who are saying that the 4080 is really just a renamed 4070 to justify the high pricing, Nvidia had this response: Nuh-uh.  (PC Magazine)
  
  Nvidia is handing a golden opportunity to AMD and Intel here.  Intel simply isn't in a position to take advantage of it, but AMD might be.
  
  We'll see what they have up their sleeves on November 3.

• Does green hydrogen cause brain damage?  (Robert Zubrin)
  
  A great takedown on just how stupid the green hydrogen idea is from an actual rocket scientist.
  
  
  
• Google is working on royalty-free high-end digital audio and video software to replace Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision.  (Protocol)
  
  Not because they want to benefit anyone, but because it's cheaper for them.
  
  Which is a far more trustworthy motivation.
  
  
  
• China has claimed without evidence that at least one US government agency is actually doing its job.  (CNBC)
  
  In this case they allege that the NSA hacked China's telecommunications networks, which is kind of the point, so probably isn't true.
  
  
  
• Another thing Nvidia announced during its big launch event is the Jetson Orin Nano.  (Serve the Home)
  
  This is a robotics module with a six core Arm A78 CPU, up to 1024 GPU shaders, and a peak AI throughput of 40 trillion operations per second.  It's not quite the same as a Raspberry Pi because it's a module that needs to plug in to a carrier board; you can't use it directly by itself.  But it is a lot more powerful than the Raspberry Pi.
  
  Prices start as $199.
  
  
  
• Krea.ai is a directly of AI-generated art and the text prompts used to generate it.  (Krea.ai)
  
  A lot of it is awful because that's just the nature of AI-generated art - you have to fiddle with things a lot to get something good.This haunted playground is suitably and subtly creepy though.
  
  
  

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• PayPal appears to be going on a banning spree in the UK.  (The Telegraph)
  
  Groups targeted include UsForThem, which advocates for keeping schools open, and the Daily Skeptic and the Free Speech Union, which advocate for, well, skepticism and free speech.
  
  The Daily Skeptic is asking for any donors in Texas to contact them.  (Daily Skeptic)
  
  Because with the recent Fifth Circuit decision, PayPal just lit up the Sue Me signal.

• Alongside three very expensive new consumer graphics cards, Nvidia just announced its extremely expensive new professional graphics card.  (Serve the Home)
  
  The RTX 6000 replaces the RTX A6000, which rather confusingly replaced the RTX 6000.  Someone might need to explain to Nvidia how numbers work.
  
  This is very similar to the new RTX 4090, but with 48GB of ECC RAM instead of 24GB of non-ECC, a 300W TDP down from 450W, and a conventional two-slot design instead of the massive four-slot boards being produced for the 4090.
  
  Unfortunately it's likely to cost around four times as much.
  
  
  
• An unpatched bug in a Python library has led to vulnerabilities in an estimated 350,000 projects.  (Bleeping Computer)
  
  The bug is in the tarfile library, which has an explicit warning about extracting tarfiles from untrusted sources, but doesn't prevent the risk.
  
  Researchers found that there are nearly 600,000 Python projects out there that use the tarfile module, which, I mean, why?  And only 40% of them have safety checks.
  
  
  
• Amazon's 2022 model of the Fire HD8 replaces the old, slow A53 cores with the new, slow A55 core.  (Thurrott.com)
  
  It starts at $100 so you can't expect that much, and a 6 core 2GHz A55 is quite reasonable for light use - email, web browsing, reading ebooks, that sort of thing.
  
  The problem is that it still has a 2012-quality 1280x800 screen, and there's no better model available, the HDX range having been long since discontinued.
  
  If you want a small device with a good screen for reading books, the choice right now is either the Kindle Paperwhite, which is quite small and can't do anything but read books, or the iPad Mini, which is a decent device except that it's Apple and costs about four times as much as a small Android tablet.
  
  Lenovo's Legion Y700 exists, but is only sold officially in China, so it might as well not.
  
  
  
• The James Webb space telescope has captured a remarkably clear view of the rings of Neptune.  (NASA)
  
  It looks a bit weird because the Webb is an infrared telescope, not visible light.
  
  
  

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• Nvidia had its big announcement.  (AnandTech)
  
  Lots of stuff, but the most immediately interesting are the RTX 4080 and 4090.  (Tom's Hardware)
  
  The 4090, launching October 12, has twice the performance of the 3090 Ti - from 40 TFLOPs to over 80 TFLOPs - while being 20% cheaper.  Which would be more impressive if the 3090 Ti hadn't been priced at $2000.
  
  The 4080 will arrive in November in two models, with 12GB of RAM and 40 TFLOPs at $900, and 16GB of RAM and 48 TFLOPs at $1200.  That's a significant difference; either the 16GB model should be called the 4080 Ti or the 12GB model should be the 4070 Ti.
  
  While the base 4080 has the same compute power as the 3090 Ti at less than half the price, it also has half the memory and half the memory bandwidth.  Nvidia is making up for that by increasing the on-chip cache from 6MB to 48MB (and 96MB on the 4090).
  
  AMD did that with the Radeon RX 6000 range, and it worked pretty well.  The options for doubling bandwidth over the 3090 Ti are pretty much restricted to HBM, which isn't exactly cheap.  On the other hand, moving from Samsung's 8nm process to TSMC's 4nm meant Nvidia had a huge number of transistors to play with - up from 28 billion on the 3090 Ti to 76 billion on the 4090 - so using five billion or so on cache was not a hard call to make.
  
  While $900 for the smaller RTX 4080 looks good compared to the $2000 3090 Ti, it doesn't look nearly so good when compared with the $700 RTX 3080, and gamers don't seem to be happy.  It's about 30% more expensive and offers about 30% more performance.
  
  Oh, an interesting point: They're PCIe 4.0.  Which means they'll work fine with my Bae case, though the standard 4090 might not fit.

• At least when it comes to raw calculation.  Nividia's selective game benchmarks paint a rosier picture.  (Press Start)
  
  The 4080 is nearly twice as fast as the 3080 Ti in Microsoft Flight Simulator and more than twice as fast in Cyberpunk 2077, for example.  Definitely a case of wait for the third-party benchmarks.
  
  That article also lists Australian prices for the three cards, and it's pretty painful reading: A$1659 for the 12GB 4080, A$2219 for the 16GB model, and A$2959 for the 4090.
  
  The 10GB RTX 3080 is available for A$1149 right now, and even the 3090 Ti is down to A$2399.
  
  
  
• AMD will be launching its own new lineup of graphics cards November 3.  (Tom's Hardware)
  
  It will be interesting to see how they set pricing.  Being second to market is not always a disadvantage.
  
  
  
• Star Citizen - a crowdfunded space game - has raised half a billion dollars.  (WCCFTech)
  
  Over the course of ten years.
  
  And it's still not in beta yet.
  
  On the other hand, it's apparently fun to play and fans are happy to keep throwing money at it.  They're not lying, they're not stealing, and as far as I know they're not pretending an ugly monkey JPEG is worth a quarter million dollars.
  
  
  
• Decentralised finance platform Wintermute, which I have never heard of, just lost $160 million.  (Tech Crunch)
  
  And unlike Star Citizen they don't even have cool exploding spaceships to show for it.
  
  
  
• You can run arbitrary code on an x86 CPU without running any code.  (Dartmouth)  (PDF)
  
  The memory management and interrupt handling units form a Turing-complete environment even without executing a single instruction.
  
  
  
• QNAP has a couple of new small NASes.  (Serve the Home)
  
  Hardware looks good.  Software, well, it's QNAP.  Keep it away from the internet.
  
  
  
• Germany's broad data retention laws are illegal, says the EU.  (Reuters)
  
  And sometimes Europe just fights among itself.  Themselves?
  
  
  
• If you want to buy some floppy disks, time is running out.  (The Register)
  
  They haven't been made for a decade, and the one company still selling them in volume has about half a million new disks left in stock.

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• I managed to snag an Xbox Series X. The local electronics store - local to my old place in Sydney, that is - had it in stock a week after I handed in the keys, but only for in-store purchases. But the "notify me" button on the Microsoft store had changed to a "buy now" button when I checked today. The buy now button didn't work, but when I logged in and went back through the Xbox page I was able to add it to my cart and checked out.
  
  Since I am now moderately far from the madding crowd, I should have it in two weeks.
  
  
  
• I also managed to snag the cord for my new electric mower, something I somehow avoided for 15 years with the previous one. So into town I went for some pliers and electrical tape. I have pliers and electrical tape... Somewhere.  Easier to go into town.
  
  
  
• I've been hearing what sounded like ducks out the back of the house the past couple of weeks, but never caught sight of anything duck-like. Until today, walking back from the shops (which is quite a hike - there's a 400 foot elevation difference) I came across a herd of wild ducks crossing the street a couple of blocks from my house.
  
  So, yes. Ducks.
  
  
  
• Australian mining company Fortescue Metals Group plans to spend $6 billion on "Net Zero" investments by 2030 - including hydrogen. (Financial Times)
  
  Hydrogen is useless as a mainstream fuel. The energy density is terrible and it leaks through everything. Anyone pushing it as a fuel is trying to sell you something.

• Ethics schmethics: With sanctions set to be enforced preventing Nvidia selling high-end hardware to China the company has placed a rush order with TSMC to sell everything they can before the sanctions kick in. (Tom's Hardware)
  
  China is littered with mid-range GPUs from shuttered mining operations, so surely they could just use those.
  
  
  
• Intel's Arc A770 graphics card is coming to retail. (Tom's Harwdware)
  
  Somewhere. Sometime. Really. Trust me.
  
  
  
• Society is to blame: Nvidia isn't the only cause of EVGA's problems; some of them were self inflicted by trying to do the right thing. (Tom's Hardware)
  
  EVGA was well-regarded for having far better warranty support than other graphics card makers, but that of course costs money. And as the chart in that article shows, graphics card makers don't make money anymore. Nvidia makes money.
  
  
  
• Do not read this article. (Substack)

  Whatever it is I’m doing here, you should not be part of it. Do not click the button below this paragraph, do not type in your email address to receive new posts straight to your inbox, and for the love of God, if you have any self-respect, do not even think about giving me any money. There is still time for you to do something else. You can still unchain yourself from this world that will soon, very soon, mean absolutely nothing.

  Stop fetishising psychosis, as a friend of mine likes to say.
  
  
  
• Adobe's $20 billion acquisition of design collaboration startup Figma is likely illegal under antitrust law, experts say. (Axios)
  
  Does "experts say" plus Axios count as a double negative, or just as emphasis?
  
  
  
• Earth has 20 quadrillion ants. (Washington Post)
  
  They counted. Had to kill them all first 'cause the little buggers wouldn't keep still.
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  But first they put a billion or so in each iPhone 14 Pro Max camera module.
  
  
  
  
  That's not good. Probably more expensive to repair than a cut power cord too.

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• The case for my new computer - the limited edition Hololive one - has shipped.
  
  I don't have any parts to go in it, but I'll sort that out in coming months.
  
  One thing: The case is laid out such that the graphics card is vertical, using a right-angle PCIe adaptor.  This is common in the kind of flashy show-off cases I don't usually buy, and by usually I mean ever.
  
  The PCIe adaptor is PCIe 4.  The CPU, motherboard, and graphics card I'll be buying will all support PCIe 5.  I think it will automatically fall back to PCIe 4.  If not I will be quite irked.
  
  
  
• Google and Facebook now control only 80% of all online advertising.  (The Economist via Archive.org)
  
  Down from 85% previously.  The main new competitor is TikTok, which is not an improvement.
  
  
  

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• The Verge is the latest site to go in for an ah my eyes what where they thinking design makeover.  (The Verge)
  
  It's crap.
  
  
  
• If the polar ice caps melt we can just freeze them again.  (Phys.org)
  
  Would cost around $11 billion a year, which is a lot of money to you or me but compared with the insane cost of "Net Zero" is pocket change.
  
  
  
• Xroar is an emulator for all variants of the TRS-80 Color Computer.  (Vintage is the New Old)
  
  This was my first computer - the CoCo 2, anyway, which had a real keyboard.  16k of RAM, 16k of ROM, and a 6809 clocked at a zippy 895kHz.
  
  I don't really miss it because my second computer was an Amiga.

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