Update: Steven notes in the comments that all the major Westminster model countries - UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and India - now have hung parliaments.
This is particularly interesting in that three different voting
systems - First Past the Post, Alternative Vote, and Single Transferable
Vote - have all produced hung parliaments. The numbers suggest that Proportional Voting would have produced the a hung parliament in Australia as well.
Why has this happened? In Australia, it's easy to blame two tragically inept major parties, both of them fresh from stabbing their own leaders in the back. But when it happens in five countries at the same time, the indication is that it's systemic.
What the solution is, whether there is a solution, and whether we should even be looking for a solution, are all questions I leave for another day. At the moment, though, I'd throw my support behind a Budgie/Ranga coalition just to deflate the Fruitbats and Noneoftheaboves, who are getting more insufferable by the minute.
1This is kind of cool: "every key ‘Westminster model’ country in the world now has a hung Parliament".
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Wednesday, August 25 2010 02:11 PM (+rSRq)
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I think what we're seeing is a demonstration of the Arrow theorem.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Wednesday, August 25 2010 03:56 PM (+rSRq)
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Interesting. I don't think I've seen that before.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, August 25 2010 05:28 PM (PiXy!)
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Arrow's theorem has nothing to do with hung parliaments; Arrow's theorem regards how there is no fair system ("fair" define as following a set of 5 particular axioms) which can transform a collection of individual's ranked-preferences into a group's ranked-ordering of preferences.
It's usually colloquially given as "there is no perfect voting system", but it is only applicable to a single election, not the hundreds of elections that go into electing a parliament or legislature; so it's not applicable to STV at all, and is only applicable to FPTP and AV when applied to each election individually (and it's not even applicable to all single-election voting systems, just those that operate on ranked preferences.)
The problem is, parliamentary systems rely on Duverger's Law to suppress the power of 3rd-party candidates, to the benefit of the two largest parties, on the theory that one of the big-two will always be able to form a majority government; but if the two largest parties are very evenly matched, even the reduced power of 3rd parties can be enough to create a hung parliament.
The way to "fix" this is to even further reduce the power of 3rd parties... or to find a way to make hung parliaments be less-damaging.
Posted by: Dale Sheldon-Hess at Thursday, August 26 2010 07:27 AM (kJWhL)
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You'd think that a democratic system would trend towards this sort of thing.
Assuming you've got two major parties that correspond to a loose tendency towards the left or right, broadly speaking, centered on whatever country you're talking about (not the same value in Israel as it is in Britain, right?) Both parties are competitive enough that they've got more-than-occasional access to the public purse, and thus don't have any trouble with fund-raising.
To the extent that the parties can avoid caucus-breaking wedge issues, they're going to concentrate their money and re-election resources on the areas which have the greatest marginal chance of resulting in victory. They'll moderate unpopular positions (note how US Republicans haven't pushed the anti-abortion issue lately, nor are the Democrats pushing the anti-gun issue, though it's unlikely either party has seriously changed its mind on the issue). Greater resources are going to be devoted towards the few percent in the middle that are perceived as "on the fence". No point spending money in Berkeley to try to elect people from the GOP, or pouring money into a rural Texas district to try to elect a Dem.
The party that successfully captures a larger share of the split in the middle is the one that gets electoral success, and thus power. The strategy gets noticed (it ain't rocket science exactly) and the other party attempts the same thing. Eventually you get to the point where both parties are relying on fairly large (probably-gerrymandered) "safe districts" and putting all their resources into the 10% or so that's considered "in play".
The better both parties get at scraping a percentage point or two off the center, the closer they get to each other. Their positions start to lose definition as they compromise. They get roughly-equal amounts of donations for roughly-equal amounts of pork, though the particular beneficiaries probably aren't the same.
Eventually you get to the point where neither party can field a solid majority - you've got a strong 40% on one side, a strong 40% on the other, and a mushy middle with some mixed nuts. Israel's parliamentary system has been grappling with this issue for decades (they have a very large collection of nuts, if I can characterize it thus). In a lot of ways, even the US system has the same dynamics, except that instead of small third parties, you get individual moderates with very weak party identification (McCain, Lieberman).
The biggest problem with all of this is that both parties tend to want to increase the size of government. It's not just a matter of rewarding donations with favorable regulation. It's a matter of motivating donations through fear; you're not worried so much about gaining quid pro quo as you are about the other party gaining power and enacting punitive regulations. (Lots of businesses attempt to duck this by donating heavily to both parties, which suits both parties fine...)
Closest I've got to a solution is small government. If the government doesn't have a finger in every pie, they can't compel massive donations, which limits the paid-for media blitz; politicians have to take actual positions to get press and exposure, and debate about those positions is more likely to split the electorate into a majority and minority than the results of finely-calibrated-and-test-grouped dissemination of a manufactured message.
Posted by: Avatar_exADV at Thursday, August 26 2010 06:52 PM (mRjOr)
Pretty interesting, in an extremely boring sort of way. No court battles, no riots, no nothing, just the ongoing vote-counting and horse-trading. Lots of whining lefties, but when is there not a lot of whining lefties?
Still, at the end of the day, we're going to be stuck with Team Budgie or Team Ranga. I'm nominally in favour of Team Budgie because they finally scraped up the courage to oppose Senator Palpatine's Secret Thought Police Act of 2010, but jeeze, it took them long enough, and both major parties are otherwise about as inspiring as last night's potato salad. (Of course, Team Fruitbat is as inspiring as last week's potato salad... That someone forgot to put back in the fridge.)
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Yes We Have No Government
We have no government today!
Since we have a parliamentary system of government in Australia, the party (or coalition) controlling the majority of seats in the lower house gets to appoint the Prime Minister and form the government. (Of course, if they don't also control the upper house, the upper house can "block supply" and cause all sorts of mishief.)
Currently, the two major parties appear to be precisely tied. That means that a small number of independents and fruitbats are busy working to extort everything they can in exchange for their support in forming the new government.
Which all means that right now, no-one is in charge. So I'm off to the beach.
...
Wait, it's 10° outside. Also, pitch black. I'm off to bed.
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Unfortunately, there's no way for both the major parties to lose.
Update: Latest predictions are Team Budgie 74, Team Ranga 71, Team Fruitbat 1, and Team Noneoftheabove 4.
Since 76 seats in the House are needed to form government, that would mean that Team Budgie would require the assent of two of the independents, or Team Ranga all of the independents and the Fruitbat. And that's before we even start thinking about the Senate.
Confused? I'll let Taiwan explain:
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Asked on Triple J’s Hack program this afternoon if the Coalition
would vote for the [internet filter] policy if Labor won the election, Hockey’s
response was short and to the point.
“No,†he said.
Finally. Someone I can vote for.
Screw you, Team Ranga. Shoulda dumped Conroy when you had the chance. And Team Watermelon - green on the outside, red on the inside - while consistently against the Great Firewall, are equally consistently the party of economic suicide.
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Wednesday, July 14
You Can't Make A Silver Tongue Out Of A Tin Ear
Via Insty, Mort Zuckerman gets slapped in the face with the cold, dead trout of reality:
The hope that fired up the election of Barack Obama has flickered out,
leaving a national mood of despair and disappointment. Americans are
dispirited over how wrong things are and uncertain they can be made
right again. Hope may have been a quick breakfast, but it has proved a
poor supper. A year and a half ago Obama was walking on water. Today he
is barely treading water. Then, his soaring rhetoric enraptured the
nation. Today, his speeches cannot lift him past a 45 percent approval
rating.
Soaring rhetoric? When he's on (which is rare these days) Obama is wooden. When he's off (-teleprompter) he's simply inept.
To be fair, Australia's own not-late-but-decidedly-unlamented Kevin Rudd was not merely wooden but utterly leaden; his speeches were actively painful.
To continue:
The president failed to communicate the value of what he wants to
communicate. To a significant number of Americans, what came across was a
new president trying to do too much in a hurry and, at the same time,
radically change the equation of American life in favor of too much
government.
And they were right.
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Tuesday, July 13
Do Senators Make Bad Presidents?
I hold the U.S Senate of recent years in approximately zero esteem (unless esteem can hold a negative value) and it was some dismay that I watched the 2008 presidential campaign narrow to a choice of three senators.
But do senators intrinsically make bad presidents? Let's take a look at what jobs recent presidents held before election.
Senator
Governor
VP
Obama
Bush, G.W
Bush, G.H.W
Kennedy
Clinton
Ford
Harding
Reagan
Johnson
Carter
Truman
Roosevelt, F.D
Coolidge
Wilson
Roosevelt, T
McKinley
Nixon
That leaves out three from the 20th and 21st centuries - Eisenhower, who was a five-star general, Hoover, who was Secretary of Commerce, and Taft, who held a number of roles including Secretary of War.
So, in the last century or so, three men have been elected from the senate directly to the presidency: Obama, Kennedy, and Harding. So, one bad, one potentially great (if flawed), one incumbent. Unfortunately I'll have to rule insufficient data here.
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The vice-presidency doesn't count - per FDR's first VP, it's not worth a bucket of warm euphemism. Also, the VP's only role is to act as a conditional senator for special tie-breaking and ceremonial purposes. Thus, I'd classify Coolidge and T.R. as falling into the governors-class of presidents, with Taft being a special case because of his immediate experience as a serial colonial governor. Truman, Nixon, and Johnson all get pitchforked into the senatorial claque, with Ford being the sole congressman in the list. Bush the Elder was also a congressman, but he spent far more time as a bureaucratic functionary, and his governance style definitely reflected that mind-set.
That tends to clarify matters somewhat, but the currently favored conventional-wisdom truism that governors' experience prepares for the office while senatorial time-serving ruins a politician for it founders on the rather violent exceptions of Woodrow Wilson on the one hand, and Truman & Kennedy on the other.
Furthermore, the side-theory that primarily non-governmental experience is worthless for the job is spun sideways by the twin contradictions of Hoover and Eisenhower. Hoover's primarily executive experience as the World's Humanitarian Fixer and Eisenhower's service life & apotheosis as Saviour of Europe produced wildly dissimilar White House careers.
I'm inclined to say that experience matters less than personality. Wilson was a ferocious, bigoted, narrow-minded thug, and his single term of office as governor of New Jersey had little bearing on his performance as president. Truman's time in the collegial Senate had little effect on his quietly combative personality and peculiar blend of tenacity and conditional flexibility. I rather suspect that McCain, if elected, would have ended up a second Truman, but obviously Obama has proven to be no such creature.
Posted by: Mitch H. at Wednesday, July 14 2010 03:45 AM (jwKxK)
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Thanks Mitch. I'll do a new version of the table in the morning with the VP column excised. And always remember that Carter was the Governor of... Someplace or other.
Truman was an interesting character; I'd like to learn more about him.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Wednesday, July 14 2010 04:56 AM (PiXy!)
I don't agree with that. The VP has often been a springboard to national candidacy for the President, for instance Nixon in 1960 and Humphrey in 1968 and Mondale in 1984, not to mention Bush Sr. They generally haven't been very successful at it, but it's widely viewed as a gateway.
Ford, coming out of the House, is a huge exception because he was never elected to the presidency. After Agnew resigned, which wasn't related to Watergate but happened after it, everyone knew that the new VP which would be chosen (through processes of the 25th Amendment) had a damned good chance of becoming President either through Nixon's impeachment or his resignation.
So the leaders of both parties in both chambers went to Nixon and pretty much told him that the only candidate they'd accept was Ford. He was House Minority Leader and was widely respected by both sides.
So he finished Nixon's second term, but when he ran in 1976 he was defeated by Carter, meaning that he and Rockefeller are the only Pres/VP pair in the history of the nation to not have been elected to the offices. And God Willing, it'll never happen again.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Wednesday, July 14 2010 07:32 AM (+rSRq)
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As you can see, Senators seldom make it to the Presidency. Most especially long serving Senators. They have to make too many concessions while in office. Concessions put them at outs with their own party. And most of them aren't "pretty" enough for the press to ignore what they have or haven't done while in the Senate. Obama had a huge advantage as he did absolutely nothing while he was in the Senate. (the Illinois State Senate never counted since the press completely ignored the fact that he was ever there).
I always find it amusing when a current serving Senator gets up and starts a speech saying "elect me so I can get things changed" - because being in the Senate would be the place to effect the most change. The President only signs what Congress gets to his desk.
I think you're looking at it the wrong way - it would be more instructive to look at the number of Senators who have run for their party nomination and never made it.
Posted by: Teresa at Thursday, July 15 2010 04:58 AM (ZjbN5)
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Or simply look at the record of the Senate, to test the hypothesis that senators make bad senators.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Thursday, July 15 2010 11:47 AM (PiXy!)
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Lately that seems to be damn near a given - no matter who the Senator might be. LOL.
Posted by: Teresa at Friday, July 16 2010 02:33 AM (ZjbN5)
Here's the dirty little secret of conservative blogging, at least as
it appears to me: I'm sure the left is convinced we're all plugged in
to the GOP and getting our Two Minute Hate of the Day from GOP central,
and so on, and etc.
The actual truth is more scandalous. By and large (I can only speak
for myself) the GOP itself and GOP candidates don't even bother trying
to spin us or feed us something interesting to push.
I got banned from Little Green Footballs - which used to be a pretty good blog - for pointing this out. The Left of course think that this is how conservative blogs work, because that is how the Left works.
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The GOP is stupid enough to think robo-calling me out of nowhere to play me a recording of Newt Gingrich blovating about something irrelevant is going to make me want to give them money and attention.
Sometimes I despair.
Posted by: Mitch H. at Thursday, July 01 2010 12:34 AM (jwKxK)
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Thursday, July 01 2010 03:31 AM (/ppBw)
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It's a box on wheels. And the wheels part is debatable.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at Thursday, July 01 2010 10:50 AM (PiXy!)
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For the life of me, I don't understand what the hell happened to Charles Johnson. Maybe a lot of it is the same burnout that I went through, but I didn't end up completely flipping all my opinions on their head as a result of it. (I just stopped writing.)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Thursday, July 01 2010 03:30 PM (+rSRq)
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From comments he made before I stopped bothering to visit LGF, I got the strong impression that he's nursing a grudge over being squeezed out of Pajamas Media, and accepted new sponsorship to pursue it.
-j
Posted by: J Greely at Friday, July 02 2010 01:35 AM (fpXGN)
Posted by: Steven Den Beste at Friday, July 02 2010 02:39 AM (+rSRq)
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I may be forgetting the sequence of events, but I think a whole bunch of things went into the LGF demise. For me, it was centered on Charles being exposed as liar. Before it, if Charles said it, it was fact (like in case of Dan Rather). After, well... I started noticing it and stopped visiting long before the whole collapse, when attempts to smear Pamela exposed by R.S.McCain.
Now, Steven's question can be interpreted, as what has driven Charles to start lying and spinning? I did not track what was happening with that guy in dorky hat after the debacle of "Open Source News" (I still think Instapundit is crazy to string his horse to the cart with such track record). Maybe it was the reson, may it occured later, I cannot remember. But I think the feud with anti-jihadists occured earlier than Pajamas. That's where being the king and punishing dissenters took precendence reporting the truth. I suspect Pajamas fell out of it. But who knows.
Posted by: Pete Zaitcev at Friday, July 02 2010 05:42 AM (/ppBw)
Don't know what happened at LGF. Â Could be partly burnout (I had it too, but like Steven, just stopped writing.) I still read over there once in a while. Just for old times sake.Â
I would, however, like to note that back when I was writing a lot, I got banned from only two blogs. Both of them were (what I would call) far-right.  The lefty blogs where I commented just happily did their best to insult me, accuse me of being a racist, (odd since I never mentioned race) and the other usual no-logic responses to things they didn't agree with.Â
Posted by: Kathy Kinsley at Sunday, July 04 2010 03:57 AM (of4pL)